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Post by bradx on Jul 8, 2008 1:34:09 GMT -5
because the bible includes contradictions purposely to confound the prideful. the message contained in Gods holy word is so simple even a child could understand it, but to the unsaved heathen it is incomprehensible.
Punishments are set for mockers and beatings for the backs of fools. Proverbs 19:29
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Post by satchmykels on Jul 8, 2008 1:45:30 GMT -5
because the bible includes contradictions purposely to confound the prideful. GAME OVER
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Post by Steven H Christ on Jul 8, 2008 2:51:35 GMT -5
because the bible includes contradictions purposely to confound the prideful. the message contained in Gods holy word is so simple even a child could understand it, but to the unsaved heathen it is incomprehensible. Punishments are set for mockers and beatings for the backs of fools. Proverbs 19:29 That's cool, can't argue with logic like that. I read a blog where some good ol' boy was trying to explain this one away: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple." --Jesus Apparently, "hate" used to mean "love". So everything in the bible is like bizarro world in Superrman, and means the opposite. So by this logic, when Christ was healing and resurrecting people, he was actually maiming and killing them. Just like one of his biggest modern-day followers, George Bush. Thank you for cracking the bible code.
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Post by bradx on Jul 8, 2008 3:19:55 GMT -5
it is absolutely impossible to understand the message of the bible when one has not been predestined to be full with the Holy Ghost by Almighty God. if you have not been filled with Gods Holy Spirit of truth, you will not be able to properly understand and translate Gods Holy Words of Truth. obviously folks like you, pagans by choice, will not hear the word of the Lord. luke 14, which you arrogantly quote out of context, directly following contains the passage 33 So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple. its simple, God is more important than any earthly thing or relative. of course, its no wonder you fail to see such easy lessons repeated over and over, because you are cursed to hell with the rest of the unsaved heathens! "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them NOT, because ye are NOT of God." John 8:47 because the bible includes contradictions purposely to confound the prideful. GAME OVER Luke 10:21 21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. 1 Corinthians 1:27 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; he did this on purpose so that when man stands outside the kindgom of God and trys to justify his sinfulness through contradictions he thinks discredit the bible, he doesnt realize that God has simply created the entrance to the door of everlasting life in a way which requires one to bow to the Lord in order to gain admittance. thats what faith is all about, God doesnt need to prove anything to you, you need to prove it to Him! the seeming contradictions in the bible only lend it credibility as far as i or any other Christian is concerned.
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Post by Steven H Christ on Jul 8, 2008 3:45:48 GMT -5
it is absolutely impossible to understand the message of the bible when one has not been predestined to be full with the Holy Ghost by Almighty God. if you have not been filled with Gods Holy Spirit of truth, you will not be able to properly understand and translate Gods Holy Words of Truth. obviously folks like you, pagans by choice, will not hear the word of the Lord. luke 14, which you arrogantly quote out of context, directly following contains the passage 33 So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple. its simple, God is more important than any earthly thing or relative. of course, its no wonder you fail to see such easy lessons repeated over and over, because you are cursed to hell with the rest of the unsaved heathens! "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them NOT, because ye are NOT of God." John 8:47 Luke 10:21 21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. 1 Corinthians 1:27 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; he did this on purpose so that when man stands outside the kindgom of God and trys to justify his sinfulness through contradictions he thinks discredit the bible, he doesnt realize that God has simply created the entrance to the door of everlasting life in a way which requires one to bow to the Lord in order to gain admittance. thats what faith is all about, God doesnt need to prove anything to you, you need to prove it to Him! the seeming contradictions in the bible only lend it credibility as far as i or any other Christian is concerned. In the real world if a book is full of internal contradictions, it is generally considered to be an incompetent piece of crap. The bible is full of contradictions because it was cobbled together from the writings of several different people (with varying agendas), who wrote decades and/or centuries apart. ALL of the gospels were written at LEAST 50 years after the unfounded "life" of christ, by people who'd never met him or anyone who knew him. There is absolutely NO historical record of Jesus or any evidence whatsoever for his life. You'd think someone would have noticed him with all the miracles he was going around performing, but no -- not a word. Not even from the Romans, who supposedly put him to death. Not only that, but Jesus isn't even this fictitious character's real name. That's just a Greek distortion. The character's name was Yeshua. According to the new testament, "Jesus" told his disciples that he would return for the Apocalypse within THEIR lifetimes. Didn't happen, end of story. Any liar who says it will still happen does not believe the word of Christ and rejects His salvation! Your comment: "of course, its no wonder you fail to see such easy lessons repeated over and over, because you are cursed to hell with the rest of the unsaved heathens!" hardly seems to be very Christian. You have failed to understand the Spirit of the Christ. I'm not sure what the punishment for that is.
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Post by bradx on Jul 8, 2008 3:47:13 GMT -5
i will not continue this conversation with you further, agent of satan. i have correctly outlined the truth of the bible, and will leave it at that. feel free to continue in your spirit of devlish mockery if you must, but i will have no part in it. i leave you with a few verses from the Good Book...
Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
1 John 2:4 - He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Deuteronomy 12:32 “What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: you shall not add thereto, nor diminish from it.”
2 PETER 1:21 For it was not through any human whim that men prophesied of old; men they were, but, impelled by the Holy Spirit, they spoke the words of God.
Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
2 Thessolians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
2 Peter 22 "A dog returns to its own vomit," and "A sow that is washed goes back to wallowing in the mud."
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Post by Steven H Christ on Jul 8, 2008 3:51:40 GMT -5
'2 Peter 22 "A dog returns to its own vomit," and "A sow that is washed goes back to wallowing in the mud."'
This clearly refers to those who return to reading the garbled nonsense that is the bible.
Whatever, I'm not interested in debating the undebatable.
Do bear in mind that people don't usually respond well to being told they'll burn hell, but I take no offence.
For you see, I've been through it before.
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Post by bradx on Jul 8, 2008 4:00:02 GMT -5
fair enough. thats what predestination is all about. i'm not surprised you have been through it before, as you are clearly not one of the elect, and if you were brought up Christian i can see how that would be uncomfortable for you. enjoy eternity in hell being sodomized by demons and turning on the devil's spit, arrogant human waste who thinks he knows more than Almighty God! i will pray for the Holy Spirit to speak to you and save you from your wicked ways before it is too late.
of course most people dont like being told they are going to hell, its why modern churches have turned away from bible truth to teach the false doctrines of inclusionism. thats ok, hell hath plenty of room for them and their ilk. they teach what people want to hear in return for filthy lucre. the word of God is not up for debate! it is not a popularity contest! it doesnt matter what men think is fair or reasonable, its what is in the bible that matters.
the reason there is no historical evidence of Jesus is to test our faith. of course His real name wasnt Jesus, and theres plenty of other errors and mistranslations, including the so called virgin birth, which was actually a virgin conception. these things are obvious to anyone who does a little research, moreso to those who are full of Gods Spirit.
i will say a prayer for you tonight.
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Post by Steven H Christ on Jul 8, 2008 4:02:50 GMT -5
fair enough. thats what predestination is all about. i'm not surprised you have been through it before, as you are clearly not one of the elect, and if you were brought up Christian i can see how that would be uncomfortable for you. enjoy eternity in hell being sodomized by demons and turning on the devil's spit, arrogant human waste who thinks he knows more than Almighty God! i will pray for the Holy Spirit to speak to you and save you from your wicked ways before it is too late. of course most people dont like being told they are going to hell, its why modern churches have turned away from bible truth to teach the false doctrines of inclusionism. thats ok, hell hath plenty of room for them and their ilk. they teach what people want to hear in return for filthy lucre. the word of God is not up for debate! it is not a popularity contest! it doesnt matter what men think is fair or reasonable, its what is in the bible that matters. the reason there is no historical evidence of Jesus is to test our faith. of course His real name wasnt Jesus, and theres plenty of other errors and mistranslations, including the so called virgin birth, which was actually a virgin conception. these things are obvious to anyone who does a little research, moreso to those who are full of Gods Spirit. i will say a prayer for you tonight. So will I be saved, or what?
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Post by bradx on Jul 8, 2008 4:04:39 GMT -5
if you truly repent and ask Yejewah for forgiveness, He may choose to grant you eternal life, or He may not. i have no idea.
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Post by Steven H Christ on Jul 8, 2008 4:06:01 GMT -5
if you truly repent and ask Yejewah for forgiveness, He may choose to grant you eternal life, or He may not. i have no idea. Why not? You have all the other answers.
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Post by bradx on Jul 8, 2008 4:15:25 GMT -5
keep this in mind, the gift of the Holy Spirit is irrevocable! if you have been predestined to be saved, no matter what you do, you will eventually be saved. if you were not, nothing you can do will save you. there is no backsliding, those people are hypocrites who were never saved to begin with!
Romans 11:29 “For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? Romans 10:13
So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. Romans 9:16-18
And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them. Psalms 139:16
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:9
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Proverbs 16:4
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
It is "foolish to attempt to prove to infidels that the Scripture is the Word of God," since this can only be known by faith. -john calvin
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Post by Steven H Christ on Jul 8, 2008 4:18:19 GMT -5
I've always been under the impression that anyone could be saved if they genuinely repented. Where does this 'predestination of the elected few' stuff come from? What's your denomination, if you don't mind my asking? I've just never heard of that particular twist before.
I must say, even for a fundamentalist your views are very severe.
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Post by bradx on Jul 8, 2008 4:36:42 GMT -5
i dont have a denomination, the Holy Bible is my guide. I dont follow the laws and teachings of man, but search for my own truths in the holy word of God Almighty.
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 15:9
read the verses i posted above, God creates evil. God hardens those whom He will harden. Some people can't hear God. Some people are not of God. regardless of translation or error, these are central themes that are repeated at length. either the word of God is true or it isnt, if it isnt then why follow the ten commandments at all? why not throw out the old testament entirely?
HOGWASH!!!
"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them NOT, because ye are NOT of God." John 8:47
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? Romans 10:13
So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. Romans 9:16-18
take for example the story of pharoah. pharoah did not harden his own heart, the Lord hardened it.
27But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go.
because the Lord hardened pharoahs heart, the firstborn son of every family in egypt was murdered! were not these children innocent of wrongdoing?
29And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
30And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.
yes, the Lord killed them. deal with it.
In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will ephesians 1:5
Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them. Psalms 139:16
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified." Romans 8:28-30
thats predestination, not everyone is saved, and not everyone can hear Gods word. it is a gift to some, and the rest are cursed, for whatever reason.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. Psalms 115:3
obviously these bible truths would not be popular were they taught, but it is a fact that they are what the bible teaches.
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Post by bradx on Jul 8, 2008 4:48:34 GMT -5
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